Challenge Cup 2018/19

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4 months 6 days ago #64540 by Borders no.2
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Relieved to get a win yesterday but we blew a big chance at 17-0 when we quick tapped a penalty in the corner when Sale were getting destroyed by our maul and on a final warning.

In the end relieved to get a win if even for the sake of morale.

Really we blew the chance of winning the group in the earlier games.

Grenoble v Treviso is on Friday so at least we will know what we need. Hopefully we can just get through even if its Clermont away and reevaluate in April.

Cardiff is certainly the bigger game for our season though.

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4 months 6 days ago - 4 months 6 days ago #64541 by columoc
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neill_m wrote: Current standings

Clermont 25 (Dragons A)
La Rochelle 20 (Zebre A)
Sale 17 (Perpignan H)
Worcester 17 (Stade H)
Quins 16 (Agen A)

Connacht 17 (Bordeaux A)
Bristol 16 (Enisei H)
Saints 16 (Timisoara Sarries H)

Treviso 15 (Grenoble A)
Ospreys 12 (Pau A)


Thanks, Zebre are still in the hunt, currently on 14 with home match to La Rochelle next. Very slim chance though given Bristol’s last match
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4 months 5 days ago #64555 by pinky
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columoc wrote: Thanks, Zebre are still in the hunt, currently on 14 with home match to La Rochelle next. Very slim chance though given Bristol’s last match


Yeah, we were hoping they might do us a favour and take some points from La Rochelle, though that's a moot point now really. Zebre might still go full strength for this one since they'll presumably have to leave their internationals at home for the trip to Bloemfontein the next week.
A win for them would likely drop La Rochelle to fourth so unlikely we'll be travelling there as we'll be either sixth or eighth if Perpignan don't do us a solid. So most likely Sale if both get TBPs, but possibly Worcester.

If La Rochelle lose and Sale drop points, the home semi-final is actually still on :-)

Otherwise might be best not to get the TBP and go to Clermont, thus avoiding a trip to England on Hard Border Friday (we might get in but never get back).

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4 months 3 days ago #64566 by cadman
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Some of the Craggy Rugby podcast crew have attempted to work out the permutations for Connacht at the weekend and you can find the breakdown of those permutations. here .

Let us know if you spot something we have missed.
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4 months 3 days ago #64571 by ShaneM
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cadman wrote: Some of the Craggy Rugby podcast crew have attempted to work out the permutations for Connacht at the weekend and you can find the breakdown of those permutations. here .

Let us know if you spot something we have missed.


Yep, Fun was had in Murtys on Saturday night going through all the permutations :)
Looking forward to the weekend!!!!

Hey. They laughed at Louis Armstrong when he said he was gonna go to the moon. Now he’s up there, laughing at them.

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4 months 2 days ago - 4 months 2 days ago #64574 by pinky
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cadman wrote: Some of the Craggy Rugby podcast crew have attempted to work out the permutations for Connacht at the weekend and you can find the breakdown of those permutations. here .

Let us know if you spot something we have missed.


Looks about right. I'm not sure about this one though:

Connacht win without a Bonus Point
- If La Rochelle lose without a bonus point, Connacht could face Bristol Bears, Worcester Warriors or Harlequins.


Wouldn't we play Sale in that situation as we would be seventh seed (ahead of La Rochelle) and they would be second (behind Clermont but ahead of Worcester)?

And if I wanted to be really pedantic I could point out that Clermont are not guaranteed top seed as La Rochelle could overtake them if Dragons decide to put on a show ...

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4 months 2 days ago #64577 by cadman
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Thanks Pinky, the permutations page is updated. We appreciate the feedback.
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4 months 1 day ago #64598 by MulMan
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Grenoble are doing us no favours at the minute with Benetton running away with things.

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4 months 23 hours ago #64599 by Betty Swallocks
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Treviso hammering Grenoble means we're out unless we win tomorrow.

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4 months 22 hours ago #64601 by Curran
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Unless we get try Bonus point tomorrow we've Clermont away huge ask.
Win away to Sale is possible.
Miracle would be us getting 5 points and sale to fail leaving us topping group and home quarter
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4 months 21 hours ago - 4 months 21 hours ago #64603 by MulMan
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Following tonight's results permutations have been simplified slightly.

If as expected Bristol and Sale both get 5 points:
We lose, we're gone, no amount of Bonus points will do (even a BP draw wouldn't get us through)
If we win without a BP we will go through as 8th placed team if La Rochelle get one point (or more) and we don't close a difference of 102 points. or if we don't win by 51 more points than Bristol. We would then face Clermont away.

If Zebre beat La Rochelle by more than 7 (and La Rochelle don't get a TBP), we would finish 7th and face most likely Sale, but still possibly Worcester (they would need to win by 40 more than Sale with a BP).

If we get a BP win, we finish on 22 points and would finish as 6th place team.
We would then most likely play Sale but still possibly La Rochelle/Worcester.

There's hundreds more permutations that involve miraculous wins for Enisei and/or Perpignan but I think even hoping there's not BP wins for Bristol and Sale is unrealistic.

There's also loads more possibilities if we win by like 150 but don't get the try bonus so realistically it's BP we play Sale (if Zebre and/or Bristol don't do something huge) No BP it's Clermont. Anything else it's Benetton through instead of us.
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4 months 3 hours ago #64615 by MulMan
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Well that was an interesting afternoon we now play Sale away, (not the Enya song)
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4 months 3 hours ago #64616 by connachta
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Bordeaux really offered us this one, a beautifuf pass to Carty. Benetton may scream for plot, they were about to have their 1st European QF

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4 months 3 hours ago #64617 by MulMan
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Ya I do feel for Benetton, but hopefully they'll have a Pro14 play-off spot as consolation, who knows they may even be in the sportsground with the opportunity for a revenge of sorts.
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4 months 3 hours ago #64618 by connachta
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Or another desillusion :D
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3 months 4 weeks ago #64619 by Carty in the USA
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Did TG4 not used to show challenge cup highlights or am I mad?

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