Would suggest that if Ireland win against nz all will be changed for the Australia game. And if Ireland lose against nz all will be changed for Australia game. So expect much of the Canada game squad either ways

dobby wrote:

connemara man wrote:

dobby wrote:

connemara man wrote: If niyi plays in any autumn internationals I'd say we should all pack up as the world must be ending

I'd have hope for Tiernan playing

hope your premonition doesn't come true

Well with Trump elected I might just be right


Grab two of each animal and head for the hills. The end is nigh! the end is nigh!

By all accounts to most americans the world has ended. Maybe not in the literal sense, but in the figurative sense. So assuming you're comment was so intended you can still be considered correct . With Niyi on the bench you would suspect that TOH is expected to last the game. So I'm looking forward to seeing him and Niyi showing how it should be done towards the end of the game when Niyi makes his entrance. Fingers crossed on that. Absolutely thrilled for Niyi. Well deserved

We'll say figuratively until the nukes go of!

Can't wait to see the lads togged out for Ireland. They deserve it, I feel sorry for Buckley he'd definitely be starting here if not for injury

connemara man wrote:

dobby wrote:

connemara man wrote: If niyi plays in any autumn internationals I'd say we should all pack up as the world must be ending

I'd have hope for Tiernan playing

hope your premonition doesn't come true

Well with Trump elected I might just be right


Grab two of each animal and head for the hills. The end is nigh! the end is nigh!

By all accounts to most americans the world has ended. Maybe not in the literal sense, but in the figurative sense. So assuming you're comment was so intended you can still be considered correct . With Niyi on the bench you would suspect that TOH is expected to last the game. So I'm looking forward to seeing him and Niyi showing how it should be done towards the end of the game when Niyi makes his entrance. Fingers crossed on that. Absolutely thrilled for Niyi. Well deserved

dobby wrote:

connemara man wrote: If niyi plays in any autumn internationals I'd say we should all pack up as the world must be ending

I'd have hope for Tiernan playing

hope your premonition doesn't come true

Well with Trump elected I might just be right


Grab two of each animal and head for the hills. The end is nigh! the end is nigh!

Tiernan, Finlay, Ultan and Kieran all start V Canada with Niyi on bench

if you were to believe david kellys article in the indo today it will be tiernan, gilroy, marshall, ringrose, earls, and then either carbery or jackson and marmion or mcgrath to start against canada. So lets say jackson and marmion start. Then its carbery and mcgrath on the bench. So then the final back row cover would be a centre or a winger. Should a centre get injured then earls can cover. Should a winger get injured then we need a winger on the bench. Should the fullback get injured then gilroy can cover. So the 23 should logically be a winger. And as such it should be sweetnam or niyi. Hopefully niyi. He is the try scoring machine of the pro12 to date this season.

phatguerilla wrote:

dobby wrote: No marmion again. Poor lad. Its bordering on mental cruelty what Joe is doing to him

This is why I think he always plays poorly after an international tour/call up - spends weeks in the presence of a coach who doesn't seem to rate him. Absolutely Murray was magnificent at the weekend but if Marmion only sees a few minutes against NZ in Dublin when the games already done he'll come back to us like a drain yet again.

Zebo used to be the same. I think people who play on instinct would not thrive under Joe's tuition

wp_rathead wrote: I'd imagine Marmion will finally get a start vs Canada, with Jackson outside him

If Earls is allowed to play v Maoris then maybe Niyi will get a start but I say it will be back 3 of Earls, Gilroy and TOH.

One would hope Bealham and Dillane will get to start in the pack if the XV that started against NZ is given the weekend off like expected

Your probably right wp_rathead. Probably Ringrose in the centre also. And what does such a team achieve. If they win, well they should have won, if they lose, well it proves the gap between our starting 15 and this redundant team. What bothers me the most is the lack of willingness to make that small change, to provide the opportunity for up and coming players to make that leap. While last weekend was a milestone it was also disappointing in certain elements. First up I would not have replaced Murray with Marmion. I do see a gap in ability here. However I do not see a gap with Ringrose and Carbery. I believe they are the real deal. But Joe will not do this other than when absolutely necessary. I suspect Carbery will be on the bench for the next AB game and that is progress. Its slow progress but its progress. Sexton will always be Nr 1 versus Carbery under Joe's rule and that's a shame. I suspect (as many have said for donkeys) that Zebo will retain the wing as he is a much better winger than fullback and that's a positive development. So there has been positives but Joe is stuck in his way which can be disappointing for those who wish to see our game and players develop. Now that he has become omnipotent it could become more difficult to shift his shadow on Irish rugby.

I'd imagine Marmion will finally get a start vs Canada, with Jackson outside him

If Earls is allowed to play v Maoris then maybe Niyi will get a start but I say it will be back 3 of Earls, Gilroy and TOH.

One would hope Bealham and Dillane will get to start in the pack if the XV that started against NZ is given the weekend off like expected

connemara man wrote: If niyi plays in any autumn internationals I'd say we should all pack up as the world must be ending

I'd have hope for Tiernan playing

hope your premonition doesn't come true

dobby wrote: No marmion again. Poor lad. Its bordering on mental cruelty what Joe is doing to him

This is why I think he always plays poorly after an international tour/call up - spends weeks in the presence of a coach who doesn't seem to rate him. Absolutely Murray was magnificent at the weekend but if Marmion only sees a few minutes against NZ in Dublin when the games already done he'll come back to us like a drain yet again.

dobby wrote: No marmion again. Poor lad. Its bordering on mental cruelty what Joe is doing to him

Frustrating indeed, but Murray's performance was stunning and no way could he have been replaced. Hopefully K will start vs. Canada, with Luke on the bench.

No marmion again. Poor lad. Its bordering on mental cruelty what Joe is doing to him

phatguerilla wrote: Does NZ's lack of experienced locks give anyone hope that we can overpower them or does it just mean there'll be even more pace across the field that we can't deal with?

NZ have called up Brody Retallick into the travelling squad so certainly expect their setpiece to improve, they could be without 2 of their centers not sure who they have called up as eplacements

Great win, and thoroughly deserved. All Blacks could easily have had a guy sent off. In hindsight, it's good that he wasn't because it would have cast a shadow over the result. I still find myself looking out for Robbie on the pitch - old habits die hard. Very proud of him grabbing the insurance try. A slight pity that they managed to get the historic first win in Chicago, with no free to air TV coverage (and no radio coverage at all).

this is the stage where you put in carbery and ringrose. will you do it joe?