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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #27555 by connachta
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I watched again the Semi final against Ulster, and the main problem is that he seems quite afraid of tackling, probably linked with his surgery.. Will need a "psycho" coaching...
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11 years 10 months ago #27554 by connachtexile
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Here's something similar written by Murray Kinsella a few years ago which I think shows the drive and ambition that Roux has. We aren't getting a guy who is happy to pick up a paycheck but a lad who has pushed himself to get were he is today. Have a read:

Signing young South Africans seems to be all the rage in Ireland at the moment. The agents over there appear to be increasingly aware of the lucrative market that is Irish rugby. In the last few weeks, Munster have signed CJ Stander, Connacht have nabbed Danie Poolman (profile coming soon) and Leinster have secured second-row Quinn Roux on a one-year deal. There’s still been no official announcement from Leinster, but the deal looks done. Here, I take a look at Roux’s career up to this point and the potential benefits of the move.

As we saw in this week’s profile of CJ Stander, he was picked out as special from a young age. Roux’s progression has been a little different. Born and bred in Pretoria, Roux’s rugby interest began at the Afrikaanse Hoër Seunskool (Afrikaans Boys’ High School). The secondary school is literally across the road from the Blue Bulls’ Loftus Versfeld Stadium. It’s no surprise then that Affies is one of the most prestigious and elite rugby schools in South Africa. The educational institute has produced many professional rugby players including Springboks Pierre Spies, Wynand Olivier and Fourie du Preez.

The fact that Affies normally field more than 10 senior teams every year makes it an achievement just to play 1st XV rugby there. Roux did so in 2008 and impressed enough to be selected for the Northern Transvaal provincial team for that year’s Craven Week. As explained in the Stander piece, Craven Week is one of the most renowned schoolboy competitions in the world. The best young players in the country are chosen to represent their province and it’s often the place where they start to build real buzz. To make a crude comparison, it was like Roux being selected for the Leinster schools team for an interprovincial series.The best players during Craven Week go on to be selected for the South African Schools. While Stander was chosen as the Schools captain in 2008, Roux missed out on selection. But the 6’5″ lock was determined to forge a professional career for himself and, in 2009, decided on a 1,427km move to the Western Province Rugby Institute in Stellenbosch. Attending the WP Institute is like taking a Masters degree in rugby. Students pay around €12,000 for the privilege of a top-quality rugby education, although some receive scholarships. The Institue’s mission “lies in transforming young boys into rugby-playing men”. It’s a fascinating facility, and their website is worth a look.

The move paid immediate dividends for Roux, as the Western Province Rugby Union signed him up that same year. He battled hard to earn a place on the U19 side, and helped them to the semi-finals of the U19 Currie Cup, where, just days before Roux turned 19, they narrowly lost out to the Cheetahs. Still, the move had proven a success. Roux was now on the first steps of the ladder towards Super Rugby. The Stormers franchise is centred on the Western Province union, although players from the Boland Cavaliers are also eligible. If a player can reach Currie Cup level for WP he has every chance of stepping up for the Stormers. That was now the target for the determined Roux.

Having graduated from the WP Institute, 2010 saw Roux move to the Western Province U21 side. The year of intense physical preparation at the Institute had visibly benefited the lock as he neared his current 120kg weight. He became a key member of the side as Western Province won the U21 Currie Cup. Alongside Roux in that team were the likes of Johann Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and Danie Poolman. On the same day, Eben Etzebeth helped the WP U19s to victory in the U19 Currie Cup Final. Etzebeth would soon prove to be an imposing road block on Roux’s journey to Super Rugby.Still just 20 years of age, Roux graduated into the senior squad at WP for 2011. The second-row’s season got off to a decent start as he made appearances in all 9 of WP’s Vodacom Cup games, 4 of them starts. This tournament is the third tier of competition in South Africa, behind Currie Cup and Super Rugby. While Roux didn’t do enough to earn a Super Rugby spot, he was included in the Currie Cup squad later in the year. He only managed 5 appearances, 1 of them a start, as WP made the semi-finals. Still, it was more clear progress from the physical lock.

2012 began spectacularly well for a confident Roux. His growing presence on the pitch led to the call from the Stormers ahead of 2012′s Super Rugby kick-off. He then started every game as Western Province won the Vodacom Cup, even scoring a try against the Lions along the way. Having turned 21, Roux was already fully developed and his reputation as an enforcer on the pitch was growing. However, the buzz around Etzebeth, almost exactly a year younger, had been growing even more rapidly. His performances for South Africa U20s at the 2011 Junior World Championship tipped the scales in his favour and he started the Super Rugby season as first-choice.

With Springbok giant Andries Bekker occupying the number 5 jersey and the more experienced De Kock Steenkamp being preferred as second-row cover on the bench, there has been little opportunity for Roux this season. Also, his status as a Vodacom Cup stalwart may not have helped, as that competition overlaps with the first few rounds of Super Rugby. Since the conclusion of the Vodacom cup, Roux has made two appearances off the bench for the Stormers. His Super Rugby debut came in the massive derby game against the Bulls, when he replaced Etzebeth for the last 29 minutes, helping the Stormers to a crucial 19-14 win.Roux’s second appearance came just last weekend, when he played 12 minutes at the end of the Stormers’ 27-17 win over the Lions. With Etzebeth feeling the effects of his first international test series with South Africa, Roux will be hoping that more Super Rugby action is coming his way in the final rounds. His contract with the Stormers comes to an end with the conclusion of the Super Rugby competition. The Stormers are currently top of the South African conference and have every chance of making the final on the 4th of August.

Roux’s decision to join Leinster on a one-year deal has been met with a mixed response in South Africa. With Bekker, Etzebeth, Steenkamp and Rynhardt Elstadt ahead of him in the Stormers depth chart at lock, he has little chance of playing regular Super Rugby. At Leinster, his competition will be Leo Cullen, Devin Toner and Tom Denton. No offence to those players, but it’s relatively weaker competition for the 21-year-old. It’s a one-year deal and the view in SA is that Roux is coming to Ireland to pick up some experience before returning home.

That’s exactly what a one-year deal suggests. For me, it’s a little less clear cut than that. The IRFU have enticed this brute of a second-row over to Ireland. If next season goes well, and Roux proves a success, they’ll be keen re-sign him. If he has enjoyed the year and settled well, Roux will be tempted to stay. Never mind the pecking order at the Stormers, for South Africa the likes of Juandre Kruger and Flip van der Merwe mean Roux is even further from recognition. This is not a guy who has played underage rugby for South Africa. He’s not somebody like CJ Stander, who has always been marked out as a probable Springbok.

While playing Super Rugby is obviously a dream for any young South African player, Roux is not a boyhood Stormers supporter. His loyalty to the franchise may not be set in stone. While South Africa have depth at lock, Ireland aren’t quite at the same level. Whether or not Roux should even be considered as a potential Irish international, when the likes of Ian Nagle, Dave Foley and Mark Flanagan have yet to break into their provincial sides’ XVs, is a debate for another time. This discussion may become redundant if Roux arranges a return to South Africa before he even leaves.

Leinster have got themselves a big, strong, mean, tighthead lock who has shown great determination so far in his career.


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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #27553 by galway_gas
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Was having a look at some Roux vids from 3 years back. Did quite a bit of ball carrying with reasonable speed . I wonder if he could be converted into a not so fat Nick Williams style no.8
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11 years 10 months ago #27547 by Decadence
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pinky wrote:

galway_gas wrote:

pinky wrote: Would suggest deleting the above two posts. Not really relevant and potentially invades privacy.


pretty tame stuff really. other players boozy nights out and run ins with traffic police have been openly described on this forum in last couple of years. I probably read about the spat on this forum as well. I wont be offended if mods want to delete it.


It was discussed at the time and the decision was that the alleged assailant shouldn't be named.
No charges were brought and he wasn't named in any of the print media, etc.
I can't for the life of me think of anything that is to be gained by naming him here.


Agreed. Posts removed.

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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #27545 by phatguerilla
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connachta wrote: Don't you think Porter could be converted 10 to ensure the kicking duties?


I would hope that won't be necessary now that there is a dedicated kicking coach, but it would do no harm to have the scrumhalves practicing in addition to the 10s and Leader.

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connachta wrote: Marmion and Henshaw possibly :dry:


at the end of the day both will need to play top level european rugby.. if their contracts are up and connacht are still no closer to that goal then it's very possible they will move elsewhere for the benefit of irish rugby


There's an Irish obsession with the heineken cup that can work against us at times. Launchbury is already world class and has played how much top level european rugby? If at the end of their contracts Connacht were obviously holding these two guys back in some objective sense (ie, lack of backs coaching, strength and conditioning) then there would be an argument. But as far as I can tell they are both contracted until after the world cup and are likely to go there as Connacht players. The IRFU are seemingly happy enough to keep investing in Connacht and improving the level of coaching, so hopefully by the time their contract renewals come around this won't even be an issue any more.
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11 years 10 months ago #27543 by ConnachtCows
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I dont agree. These players are professional athletes, and if they let themselves down, or embarrass themselves, then they should have to deal with the consequences.

Anyway, it's not the thread for this. Admins will do what they think best for the forum

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11 years 10 months ago #27542 by swift4prez
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galway_gas wrote:

pinky wrote: Would suggest deleting the above two posts. Not really relevant and potentially invades privacy.


pretty tame stuff really. other players boozy nights out and run ins with traffic police have been openly described on this forum in last couple of years. I probably read about the cooney/pod spat on this forum as well. I wont be offended if mods want to delete it.


I Know where pinky is coming from. Had this conversation with him in Swansea

I even joked about that little scrap when it happened but now I know of a lot of parents, siblings and even current players who read this forum. I've no problem writing about a player who had a shocker on the pitch, they are getting paid for it. If they aren't doing tthere job correctly ill say what I'm thinking. Personal life shouldn't be really brought into it

You don't want players to think bad of the connacht clan if they read personal things online.

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11 years 10 months ago #27540 by Shelflife
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Does the Roux loan signing take away our last NIQ place or is he still officially on the Leinster books.

Ie can we still sign another NIQ player?

Whay happened to the 10 we were supposed to be signing?

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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #27538 by galway_gas
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pinky wrote: Would suggest deleting the above two posts. Not really relevant and potentially invades privacy.


pretty tame stuff really. other players boozy nights out and run ins with traffic police have been openly described on this forum in last couple of years. I probably read about the cooney/pod spat on this forum as well. I wont be offended if mods want to delete it.
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11 years 10 months ago #27536 by Bayern
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connachta wrote: Marmion and Henshaw possibly :dry:


at the end of the day both will need to play top level european rugby.. if their contracts are up and connacht are still no closer to that goal then it's very possible they will move elsewhere for the benefit of irish rugby

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11 years 10 months ago #27535 by Bayern
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Aslong as Cooney gets playing time and develops its not the worst deal..

Roux will likely never be good enough so don't really mind about him..

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11 years 10 months ago #27534 by connachta
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Marmion and Henshaw possibly :dry:

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11 years 10 months ago #27533 by Ger C
Delighted with the loans, makes sense for all involved but what concerns me is who/ what leinster will look for in return?

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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #27530 by galway_gas
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Was thinking same about challenge cup. Its a pity its not till end january so all pool games would be out of way. I wonder is there a "rabo only" clause?
Happy about Cooney but was looking forward to seeing more of Bladey.
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11 years 10 months ago #27529 by salmson
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Cooney deal ia great for Connacht - we have 2 decent 9's for September, November, 6 nations while Marmion is rested/on national duty.

The Roux deal - half season loan - is a bit odd. We put him in our European squad, he's damn all use to Leinster if they take him back. At the same time, what's the point in starting him (or putting him in said European squad) if he could be reefed off us mid-season? Could it be Connacht are not that sure about taking him?

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11 years 10 months ago #27528 by connachta
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Don't you think Porter could be converted 10 to ensure the kicking duties?

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