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5 years 3 months ago #27448

Team vs Argentina

reland team: Felix Jones; Andrew Trimble, Darren Cave, Luke Marshall, Simon Zebo; Johnny Sexton, Conor Murray; Jack McGrath, Rory Best, Mike Ross; Iain Henderson, Paul O’Connell; Robbie Diack, Chris Henry, Jordi Murphy.

Replacements: Damien Varley, Dave Kilcoyne, Rodney Ah You, Devin Toner, Jamie Heaslip, Kieran Marmion, Ian Madigan, Fergus McFadden.

Delighted for Diack well deserved. Really hope Ah You and Marmion get a chance to shine. Happy to that we have an all centre Ulster partnership should make it easier as the two lads know each other.


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5 years 3 months ago #27462

Had to follow the game on twitter as no sky, how did Dave do and did km get a go?


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5 years 3 months ago #27463

The reverse, Ah You just played 9 min and was quite passive, whereas Marmion played 20 minutes, very dynamic, nearly scored a try

PS : Murray could well be out next week, so possibly a start for Kieran!! B)

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5 years 3 months ago #27465

I thought the bite had gone out of the game before either Connacht lad came on. However Marmion looked sharp, made some nice passes and a break. Rodney did nothing wrong but nothing to recommend him either, hopefully will be given more time next week. Not sure he had a scrum at all?

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5 years 3 months ago #27466

phatguerilla wrote: I thought the bite had gone out of the game before either Connacht lad came on. However Marmion looked sharp, made some nice passes and a break. Rodney did nothing wrong but nothing to recommend him either, hopefully will be given more time next week. Not sure he had a scrum at all?


We had one. Bulldozed them backwards but they just about retained it. Not sure we can give Rodney all the credit but we'll try :)


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5 years 3 months ago #27467

Didn't push really straight on it, to be honnest

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5 years 3 months ago #27468

Kieran played well, but he went for a try himself when he could/should have let it for a certain try. And I hate to say it but Rodney looked shagged at the end when they scored their try even though he'd only been on the pitch 8 minutes or something. Still, I'm hopeful one or both will get a start next week and really show what they're made of.

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5 years 3 months ago #27471

Have to agree with the guys above. Rodney looked very average while Marmion looked the business. Hopefully Rod gets another chance next week and we see an improvement. Would love to see him get his hands on the ball and makes so hard runs with it. As for the overall performance the word clinical comes to mind. Three trys is nothing to sniff at either with Trimble's intercept being the pick of the bunch imo. Thought Diack looked very good also, it was clever of Schmidt to use him as the main line out operator as Argentina would have no video on him.


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5 years 3 months ago #27472

Sindo reported Rodney as getting done for the final try though it was actually Kilcoyne. Guess reality doesn't suit their agenda. Fanning had a go at Cave too - with nothing to back it up, no mention of Marshall tackling like Ashton or Jones being useless though.

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5 years 3 months ago #27473

salmson wrote: Sindo reported Rodney as getting done for the final try though it was actually Kilcoyne. Guess reality doesn't suit their agenda. Fanning had a go at Cave too - with nothing to back it up, no mention of Marshall tackling like Ashton or Jones being useless though.


Kilcoyne was definitely on the side of the ruck where the last try was scored, but Rodney was just standing on the other side of the ruck looking out of breath and disinterested. In the analysis after the game, Quinlan said that the defence coach will be raging at the try, particularly because lads weren't trying to "get across" - I suspect he was implying Rodney should have been looking to move over to that side of the ruck also because Argentina had a load of numbers on that side.

Still, great to see the two lads getting capped, and hopefully they'll both go on to be capped many more times.

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5 years 3 months ago #27474

Marmion does look the real deal as we all know, and hopefully will start next weekend to give him further invaluable exposure.

Unfortunately Rodney looked exactly as he is, not cut out for rugby at international level. While it's always nice to see a Connacht player be capped for the national side, one would really have to question Schmidt's decision to expose Rodney at this level. With Kilcoyne and Bent, they just aren't up to it internationally.

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5 years 3 months ago #27475

mary hinge wrote;
"Unfortunately Rodney looked exactly as he is, not cut out for rugby at international level. While it's always nice to see a Connacht player be capped for the national side, one would really have to question Schmidt's decision to expose Rodney at this level. With Kilcoyne and Bent, they just aren't up to it internationally."

Personally i think this is exactly what Rodney needs the improvements he has made to his game in the past 12 months have been exceptional, now that he has been exposed to international level he has seen what is required of him to make the next step in his career. Now it is up to him and he has proven this last season he is now willing to put in the hard work necessary to make the next step. Good Luck Rodney

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5 years 3 months ago #27476

I agree with everything Mary has said.
I know there's a lot of love for Rodney on here, but I have failed to see it. He has improved hugely, but I wouldnt consider him top class. Hopefully he will continue to improve and prove me wrong.

As far Marmion, there was definitely a bit of white line fever when he went for the try, but considering it was his debut, and he has scored similiar tries like that for us, I will forgive him.
I fear Redden will start next week. Hopefully not though


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5 years 3 months ago #27479

Attempting a bit of a counterargument here; In Marmion's defense I think we've seen Murray make a break like that plenty of times for Ireland, to the point where I have wondered in the past if its something Joe has given the sh's to attempt. If you don't score its the wrong decision but I don't think it was a bad idea.

Ah You, he's going to get nailed over the next few days especially if he doesn't perform in the next game. But I wonder as a late call up was he not possibly a bit jet lagged? The other possibility is having played every game this season (a big jump from 7 the previous season!) he's just a bit ragged. The latter is not an excuse you can get away wtih as an international, but its a reasonable possibility.

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5 years 3 months ago #27481

Sure it may be debatable whether Rodney can make the permanent step up to international level but I don't know how appropriate it is to judge him on less than 10 minutes of little more than a mop up job. Yes, he needs to take his opportunities when they are presented, but I'd like to see him given 20-30 minutes with maybe the game more in the balance.

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5 years 3 months ago #27482

RogueXV wrote: Sure it may be debatable whether Rodney can make the permanent step up to international level but I don't know how appropriate it is to judge him on less than 10 minutes of little more than a mop up job. Yes, he needs to take his opportunities when they are presented, but I'd like to see him given 20-30 minutes with maybe the game more in the balance.


Mentally he probably hasn't had the best preparation for the stage he ended up on, but for me he should have been fresh enough for the amount of time spent on the pitch to realise he should have been closer to the ruck. Saying that it's a team game and he wasn't beaten for the try it was conceded by the whole team. Defensively they had already left for the changing rooms.

The upside is that he has the "first cap energy drain" over with, the anticipation of winning his first cap will have taken a lot out of his ability to perform. Hopefully he gets another shot, it's the perfect environment for a prop and at the very least it'll clarify how much work (and where) he has to do...

Marmion was unlucky on the break, should have popped to Trimble or dummied but I like the fact he has the confidence at a higher again level to have a go (and I suspect Joe will too..)...


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