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11 years 1 month ago #15577
Rossie enough already please with trying to blame everyone else for Kidney's failure in your inimitable Munster way
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His failure is entirely of his own making. He had everything in place to deliver unparalleled success, the players, the structure for access to the players, the resources and apart from achieving a Grand Slam (the games of which I still can't bring myself to watch on DVD because of the paucity of any decent rugby), he has presided over a team which has steadily got worse and worse and the results back.
He completely failed (as he did with Munster) to implement any contingency planning for an ageing squad/ or even an injury hit one, much as his game management lacked any contingency planning for when things start to go wrong. That rests entirely at his door, not the Media and not the Supporters and not even the IRFU..
Far from being the victim of some coordinated campaign to oust him, the Irish Rugby media has cosseted him frankly from any serious criticism. The likes of Gerry Thornley who for a couple of decades was held up as a truly world class rugby journo has barely uttered a peep in criticism or barbed question as Nero fiddled and Rome burned, and he himself has been castigated (and probably rightly so) by Rugby supporters for not doing so (not criticising, but actually asking the hard questions). I won't even discuss the Conor George's of this world, a disgrace to sports journalism.
Frankly Kidney could be the nicest, most decent man to set foot on the planet Earth since Jesus Christ himself, but while here he is only being measured on his success or failure as the Irish Rugby coach (and rightly so) a role he chose to put himself forward for and take. He's been given more rope than the results over the last couple of seasons has warranted, and for me personally I think it's a disgrace that the IRFU extended his contract after the World Cup because the writing was on the wall even then (and I wasn't remotely alone at the time in being of that opinion.).
He alone is responsible for his performance as Coach, the suits at the IRFU for allowing him to continue when all evidence indicated a diminishing return...
With regards to O'Shea, it would take a miracle of biblical proportions for him to accept the Irish Job from those in charge of the IRFU. He's a professional, and he's been away from the crap that goes on in there for over a decade.
McCall might, but he's not the right man for the job. He failed i the same circumstances at Ulster, the role at Saracens is very different as they ignore the Salary Cap and top up their squad with South Africans...
I know there are restriction within the U-20 structure but I don't see Ruddock being a viable option, for me I'd want to see him back successfully in a club role before being considered.
And most of all if at all possible I really don't wan't anyone with any pre-existing association with 10/12 Lansdowne Road to take on the role from Kidney, I didn't want it after O'Sullivan and I definitely don't want it now. Schmidt would be worth some role if he wanted to, he's employed by Leinster and not been on the IRFU coaching gravy train. But there needs to be a new broom in to manage the changes that will see Ireland improve again or deliver remotely based on the talent that does exist our players have not suddenly become bad players...
rossie wrote: i meant the national team. we are not far off the english media and fans level of expectation and abuse when it fails to materialise. we also have a very strong club game which reinforces these veliefs and enflames anger.
we have no culture of success in this competition and no culture of success at international level yet our expectation levels dont reflect that. we have won two grandslams in our history. the current welsh team have won 3 in 7 yrs. wales have a culture of achievement at this level. we have never beaten the all blacks and never gotten beyond the qtr finals.
im not saying kidney should stay on, just that we as supporters should temper our expectations and our reaction to disapointment. some of the abuse and critisism being thrown at kidney and his coaches is disrespectful, iover the top and way too personal. he did after all deliver 1 of those grandslams when others failed to do so.
Rossie enough already please with trying to blame everyone else for Kidney's failure in your inimitable Munster way
.His failure is entirely of his own making. He had everything in place to deliver unparalleled success, the players, the structure for access to the players, the resources and apart from achieving a Grand Slam (the games of which I still can't bring myself to watch on DVD because of the paucity of any decent rugby), he has presided over a team which has steadily got worse and worse and the results back.
He completely failed (as he did with Munster) to implement any contingency planning for an ageing squad/ or even an injury hit one, much as his game management lacked any contingency planning for when things start to go wrong. That rests entirely at his door, not the Media and not the Supporters and not even the IRFU..
Far from being the victim of some coordinated campaign to oust him, the Irish Rugby media has cosseted him frankly from any serious criticism. The likes of Gerry Thornley who for a couple of decades was held up as a truly world class rugby journo has barely uttered a peep in criticism or barbed question as Nero fiddled and Rome burned, and he himself has been castigated (and probably rightly so) by Rugby supporters for not doing so (not criticising, but actually asking the hard questions). I won't even discuss the Conor George's of this world, a disgrace to sports journalism.
Frankly Kidney could be the nicest, most decent man to set foot on the planet Earth since Jesus Christ himself, but while here he is only being measured on his success or failure as the Irish Rugby coach (and rightly so) a role he chose to put himself forward for and take. He's been given more rope than the results over the last couple of seasons has warranted, and for me personally I think it's a disgrace that the IRFU extended his contract after the World Cup because the writing was on the wall even then (and I wasn't remotely alone at the time in being of that opinion.).
He alone is responsible for his performance as Coach, the suits at the IRFU for allowing him to continue when all evidence indicated a diminishing return...
With regards to O'Shea, it would take a miracle of biblical proportions for him to accept the Irish Job from those in charge of the IRFU. He's a professional, and he's been away from the crap that goes on in there for over a decade.
McCall might, but he's not the right man for the job. He failed i the same circumstances at Ulster, the role at Saracens is very different as they ignore the Salary Cap and top up their squad with South Africans...
I know there are restriction within the U-20 structure but I don't see Ruddock being a viable option, for me I'd want to see him back successfully in a club role before being considered.
And most of all if at all possible I really don't wan't anyone with any pre-existing association with 10/12 Lansdowne Road to take on the role from Kidney, I didn't want it after O'Sullivan and I definitely don't want it now. Schmidt would be worth some role if he wanted to, he's employed by Leinster and not been on the IRFU coaching gravy train. But there needs to be a new broom in to manage the changes that will see Ireland improve again or deliver remotely based on the talent that does exist our players have not suddenly become bad players...
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