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3 months 1 week ago #65467 by neill_m
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cabaiste wrote: Not much variation there with just Leinster & Scarlets moving over.


Ulster and Connacht very close points wise.

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3 months 1 week ago - 3 months 1 week ago #65468 by pinky
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Interesting. Wales Online claiming it is a "radical re-jig", though really they are just doing what they said they would do this season but decided not to.
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-...hauled-next-16077439

If true, there would appear to appear to be an incentive to get ahead of Ulster as Conference B looks the easier prospect, especially if Treviso don't keep up the form they found this season.

EDIT: A bit odd they are saying it will be based on the regular season, so you could win the Pro14 and not be the top ranked side from your country ...

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3 months 1 week ago #65477 by Betty Swallocks
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We will finish ahead of Ulster this season, so conference B it will be.

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3 months 1 week ago #65487 by neill_m
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pinky wrote: Interesting. Wales Online claiming it is a "radical re-jig", though really they are just doing what they said they would do this season but decided not to.
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-...hauled-next-16077439

If true, there would appear to appear to be an incentive to get ahead of Ulster as Conference B looks the easier prospect, especially if Treviso don't keep up the form they found this season.

EDIT: A bit odd they are saying it will be based on the regular season, so you could win the Pro14 and not be the top ranked side from your country ...


Excellent point, also only doing it on the basis of the current season with the imbalance of the number of home and away games. Why not over last and this season - 21 home and 21 away games for each side?
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3 months 1 week ago #65491 by pinky
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neill_m wrote: Excellent point, also only doing it on the basis of the current season with the imbalance of the number of home and away games. Why not over last and this season - 21 home and 21 away games for each side?


Yeah, and while I'm at it, how come they do it based on overall points regardless of conference position? So they're applying different criteria do determine seedings for next season than they apply to determine playoff positions in the league.

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3 months 1 week ago #65492 by neill_m
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neill_m wrote:

pinky wrote: Interesting. Wales Online claiming it is a "radical re-jig", though really they are just doing what they said they would do this season but decided not to.
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-...hauled-next-16077439

If true, there would appear to appear to be an incentive to get ahead of Ulster as Conference B looks the easier prospect, especially if Treviso don't keep up the form they found this season.

EDIT: A bit odd they are saying it will be based on the regular season, so you could win the Pro14 and not be the top ranked side from your country ...


Excellent point, also only doing it on the basis of the current season with the imbalance of the number of home and away games. Why not over last and this season - 21 home and 21 away games for each side?


Interestingly, I did have an analysis going on the Conference rejig on the 2 season model over the regular season - only difference is that Scarlets would stay in Conference B as top Welsh side and Cardiff Blues would stay in A as Wales 2.
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3 months 1 week ago #65496 by connachta
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Munster don't let us down in the end, no single point for Cardiff, + 30 point difference
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3 months 1 week ago #65504 by neill_m
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pinky wrote:

neill_m wrote: Excellent point, also only doing it on the basis of the current season with the imbalance of the number of home and away games. Why not over last and this season - 21 home and 21 away games for each side?


Yeah, and while I'm at it, how come they do it based on overall points regardless of conference position? So they're applying different criteria do determine seedings for next season than they apply to determine playoff positions in the league.


True. Using points to determine the conference line up, but finishing position etc to determine which pot sides would be in for European draws. It's almost like they came up with the idea on a beer mat.

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3 months 1 week ago #65566 by neill_m
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Cardiff's defeat and Ospreys' BP win v the Cheetahs has opened up the race for Wales 1 in Conference B next season. 3 points between them. Cardiff are obviously visiting Galway on Saturday, the Ospreys are playing the Kings on Friday with the 2 facing each other on Judgement Day in the last round.

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3 months 1 week ago #65567 by pinky
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Treviso's RDS heroics open up a chance for Munster to get ahead of Leinster too, though that's less likely. You wouldn't know though with Leinster having nothing really to play for in the last couple of games.
Whatever way, Conf B looks more desirable, with Dragons, Kings and Edinburgh guaranteed.

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3 months 1 week ago #65568 by salmson
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pinky wrote: Treviso's RDS heroics open up a chance for Munster to get ahead of Leinster too, though that's less likely. You wouldn't know though with Leinster having nothing really to play for in the last couple of games.
Whatever way, Conf B looks more desirable, with Dragons, Kings and Edinburgh guaranteed.


Right so Pinky, outsides ourselves this week I'm cheering for:
Edinburgh, so we finish ahead of Ulster and get a nicer conference next year.
Kings, so we're guaranteed at least a playoff.
Treviso, so Munster have nothing to play for against us.
Glasgow, ditto.
Zebre, to remove Scarlets from the playoff equation.

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3 months 1 week ago - 3 months 1 week ago #65569 by connachta
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salmson wrote:

pinky wrote: Treviso's RDS heroics open up a chance for Munster to get ahead of Leinster too, though that's less likely. You wouldn't know though with Leinster having nothing really to play for in the last couple of games.
Whatever way, Conf B looks more desirable, with Dragons, Kings and Edinburgh guaranteed.


Right so Pinky, outsides ourselves this week I'm cheering for:
Edinburgh, so we finish ahead of Ulster and get a nicer conference next year.
Kings, so we're guaranteed at least a playoff.
Treviso, so Munster have nothing to play for against us.
Glasgow, ditto.
Zebre, to remove Scarlets from the playoff equation.


Scarlets are not on the play-off équation anymore (at home). And i will cheer for Ulster even if bad for next season it'd be a guarantee : home play-off vs edinburgh even if we lose, less pressure to play Cardiff
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3 months 1 week ago #65570 by neill_m
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The European spots add another element to it:

Pro 14:
Confirmed: Leinster, Glasgow and Munster
TBC Ulster, Connacht and Treviso.

The Play-off would have Cardiff Blues at home to Edinburgh. If the Pro 14 get the 20th Heineken spot, then Cardiff Blues would be in automatically with an Edinburgh Ospreys playoff.

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3 months 1 week ago #65571 by pinky
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Scarlets are still just about there. Good chance they'll get 10 points. Unlikely they can get second though, and would a trip to Llanelli be that bad? I suppose Treviso is still the best option, despite the season they're having (though it could be costly to get there at short notice).

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3 months 1 week ago #65572 by salmson
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neill_m wrote: The European spots add another element to it:

Pro 14:
Confirmed: Leinster, Glasgow and Munster
TBC Ulster, Connacht and Treviso.

The Play-off would have Cardiff Blues at home to Edinburgh. If the Pro 14 get the 20th Heineken spot, then Cardiff Blues would be in automatically with an Edinburgh Ospreys playoff.


Right, think I've got that now...



... or maybe not.

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3 months 1 week ago #65573 by neill_m
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salmson wrote:

neill_m wrote: The European spots add another element to it:

Pro 14:
Confirmed: Leinster, Glasgow and Munster
TBC Ulster, Connacht and Treviso.

The Play-off would have Cardiff Blues at home to Edinburgh. If the Pro 14 get the 20th Heineken spot, then Cardiff Blues would be in automatically with an Edinburgh Ospreys playoff.


Right, think I've got that now...



... or maybe not.



:lol: In simple terms if the league gets the extra spot, it goes to the side with the most points who aren't in a qualifying position!
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